Curse

SOT · May 08, 2005, 08:52 AM // 08:52

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Originally Posted by Sykotic

And perchance how far is that?
I never said you 'can't get through the first half of the game with henchmen', I clearly stated you couldn't get through the entire game, particularly the end-game.

So, my dear friend, read what is written, not how you want it to be written.
(I'd hate to see how 'altered' your reality is if you can create words in a post by someone else)

Im nearly to Lion's Arch, thanks. The endgame doesn't exist. Nice try. Bait denied

Deagol · May 08, 2005, 09:16 AM // 09:16

I don't chat much in games. I find the interface cumbersome, and I tend to take too long formulating sentenses. Posting on webboards are much better :-)

Actually, one of the reasons I have mostly avoided online games until now, is that I have felt most of the other "players" rather treated it like a chatroom with nice settings.

Also remember that many players many not be native English-speakers, and while they can read English, they don't feel comfortable writting it.

Some humans are less predictable than AI, and can therefore be fun to play both with and against. PvP in a single-player game doesn't really work out :-)

Shadow_Avenger · May 08, 2005, 10:38 AM // 10:38

I have to be honest, have played in a fair few teams of late, I think the issues with Noobs etc etc is at early levels, one you get past lvl 16, the henchmen become increasingly useless and the areas harder and harder.
The A R Soles, will be running around with Lvl 20 chrs with bugger all new skills as they cannot do the coop missions.
At this point they start to complain the game is Lame and leave.
I come from a strong RP background having built / design a PW for Neverwinter Nights. This has a much smaller community and 90% of players actually Team and RP together, in fact most are adults.
With GW, it is a general release game, it has no monthly so it is going to be full of Noobs, L33tz etc for the first month or 2 as it is the first time they have been given access to a MMORPG that doesn't eat at their pocket money.
Not all of the you nger gen are A R Soles, only a few, and general I would say the biggest issue with the game population is the Twitch gamer, the one who thinks GW is Unreal T with swords. Although it can be fun watching these players rushing to their own DOOM, and is often very easy to see it coming.
Also I have found that the above gamer leaves groups either halfway through mission, or as soon as the group respawn as they feel it was the group was crap and that it didn't support there gun hoe tactics. This is good as eventually the group ends up with players who are playing for fun.
As a rule of Thumb group play is actually fun at higher levels and my recommendation to all, is..

IF you find a player that you get along with / Have a good game with add them to your Friends List.
Personally I dont go for guilds, my Nercomancer has Left 2 and been offered membership of 3.
Alot of Guilds are full of Noobs and adolecence who think it is Cool to have a guild and gives them Kudos.
Wait, if you friends list has a fair few members of a certain guild then join that guild.

Sykotic · May 08, 2005, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by SOT

Im nearly to Lion's Arch, thanks. The endgame doesn't exist. Nice try. Bait denied

Yep, sums it up all there. I'd say Lions Arch isn't even really halfway yet.
Geographically maybe, but not on any other scale, certainly not on the scale till ascension.

And yes, there is an endgame of sorts to GW RP. Please stop attempting to replace ignorance for smart alec, the former is much too profound.

NoseJob · May 08, 2005, 06:36 PM // 18:36

You know what the funny thing is? Before I read this post I thought the mainstream people in this game where friendly.
I ALWAYS work with a human party and only experienced two bad team-members. One rushed into everything without a strategy and the other left the party halfway.
The people I've met helped me into the game, talked me through al lot of quests and where friendly. When I shout about a party it takes five minutes to get one.
So am I just very lucky, or isn't it as bad as it seems?

Valarian of Ascalon · May 08, 2005, 06:41 PM // 18:41

I agree with you, but slowly and surely you find excellent players to populate your friends list with. If you are still having trouble finding a player base or are in need of an extra hand just ping me in game, my toon is a warrior/elementalist by the name of Valarian of Ascalon, and I'm also the guild leader of a small pve guild made up of old teamates from City of Heroes. Never give up hope, and if you find yourself still suffering from the assaults of the ignorant you can always use the ignore option. Cheers. Valarian of the Obsidian Dragons.

SOT · May 08, 2005, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Sykotic

Yep, sums it up all there. I'd say Lions Arch isn't even really halfway yet.
Geographically maybe, but not on any other scale, certainly not on the scale till ascension.

And yes, there is an endgame of sorts to GW RP. Please stop attempting to replace ignorance for smart alec, the former is much too profound.

Lion's arch is indeed not even halfway, because there is no halfway

The game is designed to evolve and expand with time, so....my next part of the post SHOULD, but most likely WILL NOT, make sense for you...

If a game is designated as MMORPG, MMO or what have you, saying it has an actual END to the game, and thus the gameplay, kinda sounds...I don't know, I'll let you figure that out from your wiseman's perch. To me, it sounds like "why bother?" That is heresy

Sykotic · May 09, 2005, 01:16 AM // 01:16

READ DUMBASS:

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Originally Posted by Sykotic

And yes, there is an endgame of sorts to ******GW RP******

Forget it :/ trying to talk sense into obnoxiously stubborn people who are ultimately trying to support their ignorance through continued arrogance is like trying to pass a camel through the eye of a needle. (bible quote, whoop!)

Anyway - back on topic, my friends list is now extremely populated and there's only 1 or 2 people there i regularly play with. The reason why I never get use out of it (and it would seem this is reciprocated) is because it's not easy to see at a glance what levels and areas people are playing at.

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Trying to get a party happening in areas significantly after Lion's Arch where it is impossible to complete with henchmen is just plain annoying at times.

I've resolved that if I don't have enough people I want to play with online, i'll go do something else until there's a time I can play properly. I say properly because 80% of my quest parties have failed, and failed miserably - whether it be player starting fights with each other mid quest, thus resulting in one or two members leaving, or players hopping into missions - oh this is my personal favourite - CLAIMING that they want to complete the mission, only to hit the latest drake/exp/items hotspot, then ABANDONING the party once it's done!!
This is always happening, and it's just plain frustrating!

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*edit* I'd like to add SOT, that your hostile, arrogant attitude is quite simply a perfect metaphor for the contemporary behaviour prevalent in most pick-up parties I seem to put up with in-game. Comments like "less crack plz" and arguments arising over the most trivial of things (and i'll admit, i'm a sucker for personal attacks, they really fire me up :/) result in broken parties and continued frustration in-game. Pity you had to bring it to the forums too.

Manderlock · May 09, 2005, 01:26 AM // 01:26

Please stop the flaming, and the flame baiting.

You can solo, for a good while through the game. I even soloed in the desert while I was looking for the main missions.

The times that I only used henchies was when I was going on quests or exlporing. The missions are not a henchies best friend.

Sykotic · May 09, 2005, 01:58 AM // 01:58

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Originally Posted by Manderlock

Please stop the flaming, and the flame baiting.

Only too reasonable, good sir. I am sorry for anyone that had to put up with this, I ordinarily hate flaming on forums :/ In my defense though, claiming i'm "on crack" for putting forward a perfectly logical and harmless viewpoint is only targeted at inciting a response, and should not be tolerated here at all.

Jab · May 09, 2005, 02:12 AM // 02:12

Heh speaking of soloing today I tried to find agroup for the co-op mission(forget the name it's the one where you use leaf seeds to get around) so I went all henchmen , it was pretty nice. No one complaining about not getting enough heals, no one wandering off doing they're own thing. So whats all this" multiplayer" that keeps getting thrown around

Stev0 · May 09, 2005, 02:27 AM // 02:27

I play with a local buddy who has access to a teamspeak server. Only problem is that everytime we break with the norm and take with us some non-npc players, we have to communicate with them through text which never works out.

Also MOST of the time these players play a character they are not. Like Elementalist/Necromancers that run directly towards 6+ creatures and become a casulty in under 10 seconds. Once ... only once I got to adventure with a player who played with some smarts and picked off lone groups of creatures less than 4 at a time.

I think so far he was one of the better players I briefly played with from the start ICU INHELL was his name I think. But.... when we were doing a 2 part mission... he ran off and that was the last I saw of him =\.

Anyhoo ... My nic is SteveK Aglovale, online. If you see me... give me a shout. Tell me my forum name or whatever and join my small group because we play with SOME intelligence. If you work well in a team and have a mic, maybe we can work together on a regular basis, because god knows form what I have seen ... there are very few fun groups to be in.

Manderlock · May 09, 2005, 02:32 AM // 02:32

Aye, I was playing in arena, and I knew that we would lose do to our monk. I look at him and I see a sword and a sheild.

Sykotic · May 09, 2005, 05:57 AM // 05:57

Depends what modifiers were on them though, sometimes it's best for an ele or mes (that's all I know about from experience) to go into battle with a sword, particularly if it has a nice casting speed bonus or something like that :P (sometimes the really good mods only pop up on 'other' weapon times)

Manderlock · May 09, 2005, 06:00 AM // 06:00

Maby a sword(Ive seen them on mes too, I had yet to see a monk with one though), but a shield? That screams I DONT KNOW WHAT IM DOING.

Banned · May 09, 2005, 09:42 AM // 09:42

Well, my experiences run similarly to the original poster, but i have found a few helpful players along the way, but mostly they're a rude amount of people who ignore every question or pm. It would be nice to have access to a guild of older individuals who can swap strategies and builds, and game on a regular basis. I often get blind invites to guilds but find when I ask basic questions they are never answered.... Sigh, maybe someone should start a guild called "Over the Hill Gang" for post 30 year olds or somesuch:-)).

Cheers

I have to say, as an afterthought, I prefer to team up with real players but they tend to be so bad I now use henchmen almost strictly. Id like to find a good group of people who know the game, plus my toon is a monk/mesmer, strictly a healing bot, lol, so who knows how I may impact your team!

Helfarch · May 09, 2005, 09:59 AM // 09:59

I will be playing with a previous clan from other games so i doubt I will have this problem once EB get stock again (damn you EB)

Luggage · May 09, 2005, 10:35 AM // 10:35

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Originally Posted by Sykotic

Trying to get a party happening in areas significantly after Lion's Arch where it is impossible to complete with henchmen is just plain annoying at times.

Some things my Ne/Me did with henches after LA:
Riverside
Dunes of Despair
Dragons Lair aka "Glint" (no I did not attack her...)
Warrior seconday

I've found that getting good PUGs got easier after.. hmm.. the Wilds?

Akshara · May 09, 2005, 10:54 AM // 10:54

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Maby a sword(Ive seen them on mes too, I had yet to see a monk with one though), but a shield? That screams I DONT KNOW WHAT IM DOING.

Not to derail the topic, but...

For a Monk with Divine Prayers/Healing Prayers/Tactics, having a shield can help him/her to stay alive that extra second when being bombarded by arrows or melee attackers, especially when using some of the non-skill draining stances that Tactics offers. In PvE, I have a dedicated monk healer that always has a shield equipped in a weapon slot for quick access, one with a wand and one with a sword. It's saved me and others many times.

In PvP, Healing Monks need to save their skills for healing, instead of pulling from them for defense as well - every point counts. Depending on one's equipment and the scenario, sometimes having an armor boost and using non-skill based defenses can be more effective than having a skill bonus from an artifact and using skill-draining defenses. A dead monk, or a live one waiting for their skill pool to regen, doesn't help anyone.

Back to the topic at hand, these broad stereotypes are the kind of thing that can make it difficult in parties. One needs to allow each player to actually take care of their own character, and trust that they know what they're doing, or will learn through the experience. It would be a mistake for a team to discount my monk's healing ability or give him flack because he carries a shield for energy management purposes.

Of all the professions, Monks seem to be the one with the most backseat drivers...

Then there's other things that shields on a monk are good for... like the dedicated Smiting Prayers monk, the strategies of misdirections and feints, the instilling of false confidence in the enemy... but that's another topic...

Deagol · May 09, 2005, 11:41 AM // 11:41

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Originally Posted by Manderlock

Maby a sword(Ive seen them on mes too, I had yet to see a monk with one though), but a shield? That screams I DONT KNOW WHAT IM DOING.

Really? I use a shield most of the time with me level 12 E (two out of four weapon sets, but it is those two I use all the time). +8 to all armor pieces seems more useful than the +7 to energy that is on another weapon set. In theory I should switch to that weapon set when I run low on energy, but it is hard to remember in the heat of battle.

One of the two weapon sets has a sword, which I use to defend myself from melee (together with some spells). I have never had much success with fleeing.

The last weapon set has a staff with +5 energy and +4 armor, which might be a good compromise, once I get over that it only do half damage of the wand.